Talk:Parson Russell Terrier

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There eventually ought to be a separate article for each of the (fairly new) distinguishing varieties of these dogs. At the moment, however, the JRT article discusses all of them and their differences, so a redirect seems appropriate. Elf 17:05, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Which Came First? (The Parson or the Jack)

Does anyone know for certain whether the UK's recognition of the Parson Russell or the ANKC's recognition of the Jack that came first? All my books predate recognition. Quill 07:27, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Neither The Jack Russell Terrier Club of Great Britain was established in 1974. http://jackrussellgb.co.uk/club_info/history_aims.htm

The Jack Russell Terrier Club of America was established in 1976. http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/jrtca.php3

The AKC/UKC recognized the JRT in 1992.

I'd tend to look to the breed organizations for definitions, rather than to the all-breed registries. --jdege 18:14, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

Picture is ridiculous

If they are going through great enough pains to insist the Jack Russell Terrier and the PArson are distinct breeds, at LEAST use different pictures on their pages! Christ. Youaredj 02:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

There's been discussion of this on the [[Talk::Jack Russell Terrier]] page. --jdege 13:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

A Parson could be, if it were a good working type, be registered as a Jack. The breed book for Jacks is open. Wouldn't THAt frost some AKC pumpkins. Will in New Haven —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.173.135 (talk) 20:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The JRTCA studbook is open to any dog that meets the breed standard other than a dog descended from an AKC-registered Parson born after 1997. Or, at least, that used to be the rule and if it's been changed, I missed the announcement. (I don't read "True Grit" as closely as I used to.)

--jdege (talk) 01:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

It is true that a dog registered as a "Parson, or descendant from a Parson can never be registered with the JRTCA. This organization goes so far as to refuse membership to any individual who registers thier Russells with an All Breed Kennel Club. Please do not provide information unless you KNOW for sure it is correct, i.e. you are a member of the JRTCA as it can be misleading to those who are trying to educate themselves about this breed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.246.99 (talk) 01:37, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Parson Russell Terrier/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have the full review up shortly. Dana boomer (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   • The ANKC link in the infobox is dead.
   • Lead, "it conforms to a smaller range of sizes than the Jack Russell". Does this mean that the range is smaller or that or that the sizes are smaller? I see that you say later that it means the range is smaller, but you should probably clarify this in the lead. It might be easy to do this by saying "The Parsons tends to be larger than the Jack Russell, although the Russell has a larger range of sizes" or something of the sort.
   • History, second paragraph. The first two sentences leave me very confused as to what a badger club (were they hunting badgers?) has to do with terriers, and why it would be renamed from a "badger club" to a "terrier club". Give the reader a bit more background here, please.
   • History, "The Jack Russell Terrier Club of Great Britain was established in 1974 as the parent club for the Jack Russell Terrier in the UK, which actively opposed recognition by Kennel Club (UK)." Huh? What do you mean by "which actively opposed recogniition by..." The Terrier Club was opposing something? The Kennel Club was opposing something?
   • History, "The American Kennel Club updated the name from Jack Russell Terrier on 1 April 2003." To what? The Parson Russel Terrier? Did they keep a section for the Jack Russell, as other clubs did?
   • Description, "either smooth or broken." Could the non-dog reader get a hint of what a broken coat is here?
   • Description, "with only a hint of eyebrows and beard if natural to the coat." What do you mean "if natural to the coat"?
   • Description, third paragraph. Is there a suggestion as to how big the judge's hands should be? I mean, I'm a medium sized woman, but my hands are a good inch shorter from the base of my palm to the tip of my fingers than my husbands. So, between the two hands, my husband could "span" a dog a good 2-3 inches further around than I could, which is fairly significant when you're talking about a dog that only weighs 15 lbs. Or is it just a general measurement, like how in measuring horses a "hand" is four inches - no more, no less?
   • Temperament, "At work, they can be single minded, tenacious and courageous " What is "work" for these dogs today?

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   • See my query about what "work" is for them in the prose section above.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Overall a nice little article about a dog breed that I hadn't heard of before. However, I have a few questions above about prose and completeness. The main issue is the inclusion of jargon ("broken coat", "spanning", etc) that isn't familiar to those who aren't involved in the pure-bred dog world (like me!). Most of the issues are not significant however, and shouldn't take long to fix. Please let me know if you have any questions, I'll be watchlisting this page. Dana boomer (talk) 21:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll respond down here as I don't want to mess up the formatting. :). So far: fixed the ANKC link; changed the lead sentence to "narrower" rather than smaller; given more background regarding the badger point; corrected the grammar in the opposed recognition part; added a line to say that the ANKC and the NZKC are the only two major kennel clubs to recognise both the JRT and the PRT in order to clarify the AKC line. Miyagawa (talk) 22:07, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I think I've fixed the remaining points. In summary; added explanation of a broken coat (with cite); changed natural to the coat to "if broken coated" as they wouldn't appear in smooth coated dogs; managed to find an explanation of spanning terriers - I thought it was for size too, but apparently a judge is feeling for shape (with cite); modified to say the standard described them as such - as typically this breed doesn't work anymore, which in fact one of the national breed club says on its front page (cited as such). Miyagawa (talk) 22:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I've made a couple more tweaks. Other than that, everything looks good, so I'm passing the article to GA status. Nice work, and thanks for the quick response! Dana boomer (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

External links

I've recently reverted the addition of a couple of external links to this article. Please see WP:ELYES for information on suitable links to add, noting that if it is a reliable source then the information contained should be brought into the article rather than linked to externally. Miyagawa (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Claim that PRTs are adapted to show, not work, seems unfounded.

The wiki article states:

"However, it is unusual for dogs of this breed to be involved in work, such as fox hunting, typical of a small white terrier, as they are more adapted to the show bench.[22]".

The linked source does not say anything to this effect. The last part also goes against most of the information I've read regarding the breed, which is basically that the Parson Russell breed conforms to stricter physical standards that the Jack Russell type is not defined by. Coming from the same stock and bred for the same purposes, especially considering the newness of the Parson Russell as an AKC breed, I don't understand where there claim that "they are more adapted to the show bench" came from. My understanding is that the PRT breed, being developed from the JRT, is suitable for work. 66.249.83.224 (talk) 06:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)NSI

The statement is rubbish. I know a large number of Parson Russells (including our own) that are used for hunting especially badgers and raccoon dogs, and many breeders breed them specifically for that purpose rather than for show. The Parson Russell is one of the breeds accepted in ground tests (burrow hunting tests) while the short-legged Jack Russel (which was originally bred as a rat catcher) is not. Also, I am not aware of a rule disqualifying rough coats -- many of the current champions are rough and all three types may be born in the same litter.--Death Bredon (talk) 22:20, 6 February 2015 (UTC) I might add that the Parson Russell terrier was NOT developed from what is currently known as the "Jack Russell terrier" in Europe, i.e., the short-legged type. The latter was developed independently in Australia to catch rats particularly in stables while the Parson Russell is descended from the type developed by John Russell for fox hunting, being long-legged in order to be able to run with the pack and then flush the fox when it went to ground.--Death Bredon (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

The issue is one of size and how the Parson Russell Terrier's conformation standard is focused on a larger sized terrier. JRT"s are 10-15 with under 12 dogs being generally more desirable for actual working dogs. This is the reason why JRT clubs resisted the inclusion of the JRT into the AKC and why the AKC's inclusion didn't bring along the JRT name in its registry. Brsinai (talk) 13:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

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No it not named after the Rev Jack Russell

It's not named after reviewing Jack Russell,but the Rev John Russell. 82.132.233.174 (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Like black people

Please could someone who is more capable than I, examine and rectify this passage. Why would these dogs be loyal “like black people”? Is this an error or someone being offensive? I have just donated funds to support Wikipedia but I do not want to support such inflammatory language. 134.19.196.138 (talk) 20:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)