Talk:Operation: Mindcrime

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Cleaning This Article

Wow, this article is really bad. The top of it needs to be expanded a lot, really, for such a monumental album. The bottom is just stolen fom an old webpage without credit to the author, and is exceptionally un-Wiki-like. That needs to be removed entirely.

The first sentence seems fine, but would it be better classified as a rock opera than a concept album? Its use of storyline, plot-driven songs and the discussions between them tie the album together a lot more than a concept album.

The paragraphs themselves seem extremely disconjointed - he article has no flow to it, throwing info on the movie version between two plot discussions.

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Queensrÿche's Wikipedia entry lists it as a progressive metal concept album. The concept album list on Wikipedia has it written there as well, and it's generally considered as such. I'd suggest that keeping it like that in the Op:Mindcrime entry simply for consistency's sake. --Stealth 20:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Article says: Dr. X takes notice and, seeing a potential threat in Mary to his cult of personality, orders Nikki to kill both her and the priest. Nikki goes to Mary's church and kills the priest, but, after confronting Mary, he fails to comply with the command to murder her. He and Mary decide to leave the organization together, and Nikki goes to Dr. X to tell him that they are out. Dr. X, however, reminds Nikki that he is an addict, and that he is the one who can provide him with his daily fix. Nikki leaves, conflicted and uncertain, and he returns to Mary only to find her dead.

Live album "Mindcrime At The Moore" (2007) says what happened to Sister Mary. She was convinced by Dr.X to make a suicude. See (hear) "The Neddle Lies" after 3:18 from that live album (for eg. at Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/5hSIEcbIoUjURAwqst6TQS). Not sure if this should be added to article as it was probably added later to story (at the time of this concert? don't know). --morsik 15:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There were 3 other singles from O:M. http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime/singles.html

Thanks

I'm the author of the web page from whom the old article was stolen. I noticed that this article was copied verbatim a few months ago; I was uncomfortable with it but wasn't sure whether I should complain or ignore it. I appreciate the way the article has been cleaned up now.

Kazim27 15:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary

I summed up the plot from what I got from the lyrics/existing summaries. Fair 'nuff? // Gargaj 21:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems perfectly fine. As long as it's not complete and utter plagarism, it's fair to do. The previous page was really offensive to the author of the webpage. // Master_Yogurt

Mary's death

I read a Pamela Moore interview recently where she said something about Mary killing herself. I'll try to dig up a link. --cholmes75 18:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that somewhere in the VideoCrime tape (this is secondhand from some website I saw it on some times ago) it has an image of Mary's body with the word "SUICIDE" written on it. I also recall reading on another page that during their last big tour (A Night With Queensryche, I think it was called?) Dr. X murdered Mary in some fashion (or caused her to commit suicide in some way--I know it involved a gun). We at least know Nikki didn't since his whole motive in Mindcrime II is getting revenge on X for framing him for it (but whether X did it himself or Mary suicided I can't be sure of right now.) So I think perhaps the band themselves have changed their mind over who killed Mary over the years--or perhaps the aformentioned "SUICIDE" image is/was some kind of red herring. --Onslaught Six 4:31 PM, 2 may 2006 (EST)

Indeed, Mary's death was a suicide (of sorts). She answered the phone in Nikki's apartment while he was out, and Dr. X hypnotized her to make her kill herself with the gun in his apartment. At least that's how it was portrayed in Night with Queensryche. --Master Yogurt 11:06 PM, 4 May 2006 (EST)

Hrmm. I think I vaguely recall reading somewhere 'else' that Nikki returned to the church to look at Mary's body one more time only to find the place swarming with cops, and that's when they take him in. I could be wrong, though....Bah, I wish they'd just come out and say what happened. >.> --Onslaught Six 4:16 AM, 7 May 2006 (EST)

Musicianship

Why isn't there a lyrics section on song pages in Wiki? Why is it not state what key the song is in (ex: Mozart sonata in D Major)? Why is there no musical perspective in this article? I find this strange since the band has always had a strong emphasis on originality and complexity in their compositions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.106.91.9 (talk) 18:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are no lyrics because lyrics are copyrighted and cannot be reproduced without permission. There is no perspective because that would be mainly opinion and original research. Canterbury Tail talk 12:05, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia

As of 2009, the now-current CPR course offered by the American Heart Association uses a (presumed fair use) clip of the introduction to Operation Mindcrime's: "I Remember Now," in which the voice on the overhead speaker system is calling for, "Dr. Blaire, Dr. Blaire, Dr. J. Hamilton, Dr. J. Hamilton. (Sound of door opening and closing.)" This has been validated by neither the American Heart Association, nor EMI records, but it popped out pretty clearly in the LifeSaver video for Health Care Providers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreyeye (talk • contribs) 02:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sample predates use in Operation: Mindcrime by years, maybe decades. (the earliest one that I know of for sure is in Death Wish 3) 68.144.81.159 (talk) 00:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)Brian J. Wright[reply]

It's a fairly common hospital sound bite, heard all over the place. A bit like the Wilhelm scream. Canterbury Tail talk 01:20, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The clip of Nikki answering the phone in Mindcrime was used on an Ayumi Hamasaki track as well. The word 'Mindcrime' was removed, though. SSBDelphiki (talk) 08:42, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still substandard

In my opinion, this article is still quite bad and incomplete for such an influential album (in progressive circles at least). The history section has little respect for chronology, there is no information about the writing and recording of the album, or sales figures at the time of release. Also, in my opinion, there is too much attention for O:M II. Of course, and unfortunately (opinion again), the sequel has to be mentioned. But the original dwarfs it in all aspects, and the article gives quite a different impression. Alterationx10 (talk) 18:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Longest recorderd record (vinyl)?

I've been told that this album is the longest record vinyl record. Most records had a maximum of 45-50 minutes. This one is almost 60 minutes. This had a downfall on the quality of the vinyl. Can someone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreglov (talk • contribs) 14:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article quality

No section on critical reception, references to and from other works, sales figures and so on? — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 16:24, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Further info on exposure to Canadian terrorists

Tate has an interviewer with a blogger that mentions how he was exposed to Quebec Separatists who were okay with using terrorism, but the source being a blog (and not his own blog talking about himself or his thoughts) it doesn't meet wiki-standards so can't go into the actual article. I place a link here for anyone curious:

A Conversation with Legendary Vocalist Geoff Tate: http://misplacedstraws.blogspot.com/2019/06/a-conversation-with-legendary-vocalist.html

--Wowaconia (talk) 03:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]