Talk:Jack Lang (Australian politician)/Archive 1

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jack lang was a good bloke who shouldnt have been dismissed -- 19:51, May 31, 2004 203.29.67.84

Indeed. :-) I have long been a fan of 'The Big Fella' myself - I tried very hard to write this article in a neutral point of view, e.g. pointing out how welfare cheques bounced and the chaos caused by Lang's stubbornness, and how his actions were clearly un-Constitutional. Nonetheless, I hope that my admiration for Jack Lang doesn't come across too strongly in the article. --Humehwy 23:29, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

what is Jack Langs significance to australian history?

• "Governor Sir Philip Game was left with no choice but to dismiss Lang..." might be a bit POV, as is reference to "...the ultra-conservative print media..." _ Matthew238 01:10, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree the "no choice" phrase is too strong. There is controversy about the Constitutionality of it, especially considering the undefined nature of the Governor's "reserve powers" that were used (e.g. in Frank Cain's Jack Lang and the Great Depression). I have amended it likewise. I don't see that "ultra-conservative" is necessarily a value judgement though.--Jack Upland 05:58, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm happy to let your edits stand, Jack. I also agree that describing the Sydney media in 1932 as "ultra-conservative" is definitely not a value judgement. Simply go down to the nearest decent library and look at the microfilm Sydney Morning Heralds and Suns from May and June 1932 and you'll see what I mean. If I recall correctly, many newspapers refused to even take paid advertising from the Labor Party. --Humehwy 06:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello fellow Lang-ers, as I live in the Auburn area, I've added a couple of references and links which I hope gets cleaned up properly in a proper biblio/references format. In the meantime, it's nice to know that history for the common good being remembered here. (I'll sign up as a proper user on Wikipedia one day!) 11/01/2006

POV

The stuff about the Depression needs rewording, in particular whether the Commonwealth's response made things better or worse - there's a lot of disagreement as to whether controlling spending during the Depression lessened or worsened the economic effects. (A similar discussion surrounds US policy at the same time.) El T 07:33, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't see where in the article it says whether the Commonwealth response to the Depression made things either worse or better. One thing is for certain -- Australia's recovery from the Depression was far slower and shallower than in the US, UK or New Zealand. Feel free to share your thoughts on another article I have written, Great Depression in Australia. --Humehwy 04:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

New Guard

Some mention should be made of the New Guard's activities against him, like kidnap attempts and planned coups.

Plus their distinct fascist connection.

Depression Economic Policy

It should also be noted that Lang's policy of renegotiation of interest payments on State loans from abroad (primarily from the UK) during the Depression, although contrary to the economic policy of the Australian Commonwealth Government and the other State Governments, was precisely the policy then being adopted by the British Government with respect to the UK's own loans from the USA. Australian politicians, with the exception of Lang, were acting in the interests of British investors, and not in the interests of their own constituents; their treason is deplorable.

Dismissal

Technically Governor Game did not recall Lang's commission because he attempted to hide funds from the commonwealth. What Sir Philip Game found improper was the directive Premier sent out ordering civil servants not to obey certain federal laws. As everything the state government does, it does on behalf of the crown (as it is the King's government), the governor claimed he could not countenance actions being done in the name of the King which were in effect criminal.

Edward Carson (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)