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Merge proposal

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The result of this discussion was undecided. ThethPunjabi (talk) 16:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Punjabi Sikhs should be merged into this article. Afaik, almost all Sikhs are Punjabis so it doesn't make much sense to have a separate article. --RegentsPark (comment) 13:33, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

• Undecided - whilst it’s true that the vast majority of Sikhs are ethnic Punjabis, it does not mean all Sikhs are Punjabi. To be more specific, the vast majority of orthodox Khalsa Sikhs are ethnic Punjabis but there are vast, unaccounted for amounts of other groups of people who exist within the boundaries of Sikhism and Hinduism with no clear define, such as Nanakpanthis (who are mostly concentrated amongst Sindhis) and whose numbers have wide estimates, sometimes surpassing even the number of Khalsa Sikhs. Furthermore, having a separate Punjabi Sikh page helps dispel the misunderstanding that Sikhism is theologically an ethnoreligious group by choice rather than circumstance that only exists amongst Punjabis and is synonymous with Punjab, which is not the case as there are many other ethnic communities of Sikhs who are not Punjabis, such as Sikhligar Sikhs, Kashmiri Sikhs, etc. The article Sikh art and culture discusses a few non-Punjabi Sikh communities. There is a lack of recognition and research in this field. However, there does exist some literature and scholarly work regarding non-Punjabi Sikhs and I do plan to do work in this field in the near future here on Wikipedia by creating pages dedicated to a few of the non-Punjabi Sikh communities, which are under-recognized at the moment. For the Punjabi Sikh page, it could differ from the general Sikhs article by focusing more on the relation between Punjab and Sikhism, with focus on the cultural, linguistic, historical, and social impacts. I am still undecided about your suggested merge and cannot come to a decision because I do acknowledge your point that there is a lot of clear overlap just due to the majority of mainstream Sikhs happening to be Punjabis, therefore your point is duly noted by me as well that maintaining a separate article may be difficult to justify if the content follows too closely to the other article.

ThethPunjabi (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Undecided- Unless I’ve got this wrong, the article refers to people that identify as Indian-Punjabi which doesn’t include people who now have a different nationality or citizenship. For example someone whose grandparents moved to England when they were young. And nowadays a lot of Sikhs do hold passports for different countries so it may be appropriate to have an article for strictly Indian-Punjabi Sikhs which I think are still the majority. However it could be easier to merge into a section and make it more clear. Tescomealdeal1 (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

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Guru nanak religion and classed as a Khatri

is there any evidence that he was born into a Hindu family or that he was a Khatri from what I have seen many people allege this but they don't give any evidence he might of been but this is speculation without the proper evidence the source cited doesn't give itself any evidence for this claim only stating it Dopplegangman (talk) 11:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know, the "evidence" for this would largely be from the Janamsakhis, which holds the belief that Nanak was born to a family in the Bedi tribe. In terms of his supposed caste, I believe this is largely stemmed from the fact that the Bedi tribe were members of the Khatri caste, therefore, it is assumed that Nanak too would have been a member of this caste.

However, Nanak famously defied the Hindu rituals and declared castes as a falsehood, so the wording of your question is problematic.

Nanak's faith was Sikhi and he had no caste. AnyBurro9312 (talk) 08:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Kindly remove:

Kindly remove the word “baptism”, as Baptism a word for conversion into Christianity. And The “Initiation” done by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Dev Ji was called “Amrit Sanchar” (meaning water of immortality life-cycle rite) or “Khande di Pahul” (meaning Initiation with the double edged sword). 119.252.203.181 (talk) 08:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I agree with this recommendation because the accurate term should be "initiation" instead of the more common "baptism".

I've made the necessary changes in the page, but wanted to inquire what the initiation ceremony would be for someone who with cut hair who still accepts Sikhi (Sehajdhari Sikh). Would they also undergo the Amrit Sanchar or Khande di Pahul or would they undergo a different rite?

(This question is open for anyone) AnyBurro9312 (talk) 14:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

According to a pathi(religious scholar) I asked in my gurudwara you cannot go through with it if you do not follow 5 K's. 49.255.90.94 (talk) 22:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

No, I meant that if a person had cut hair, and wanted to identify as a Sikh, how would they go about doing so?

The Amrit Sanchar requires the observance of the Panj Kakkars (5Ks), however there do exist Sikhs who identify as such without observing the physical aspects of the faith. They are known as Sehajdhari Sikhs.

So how would a person with cut hair go about identifying as a Sehajdhari Sikh? As far as I know, there exists no canonical pathway to accomplish this, so it would just come down to the person to simply begin identifying themselves as Sikh and they would be a Sehajdhari, on account of their cut hair. AnyBurro9312 (talk) 08:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Need fix on Jawaharlal Nehru

The name of Jawaharlal Nehru needs to be fixed to point to the wikipedia webpage about him. I do not remember how to do it. 184.152.110.187 (talk) 14:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. RegentsPark (comment) 17:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)