Talk:Cassandra Claire

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I've reverted the addition of various details of Cassandra Claire's fanfiction which I believe to be fancruft, and the merged content from the Very Secret Diaries entry, since at the moment the VfD consideration for this article is unanimous voting to merge this article into the Very Secret Diaries. As per my comment on the VfD page, this article has tended to collect a) fancruft and b) mini-revert wars involving rumors and arguments about bad things which may or may not have been done by Ms. Claire, which now that I think about it are themselves also fancruft. Since Wikipedia is (to my knowledge) not in the business of providing vanity pages to fanfiction writers, but is in the business of including popular Internet memes, I've "unmerged" the VSD entry and removed the detail on specific works of fanfic in the hopes that we can see this page redirected to Very Secret Diaries when the VfD voting ends. Feel free to drop me a personal message through here if you disgaree, but we've been through this cycle many times now of: the article is edited with real but very within-the-fandom content; the article is edited with accusations of terrible behavior on the part of the subject of the article; the changes are reverted; the changes are rereverted; the article is reduced to a stub. Will the circle be unbroken, by and by, by and by? Tromboneborges 03:50, 10 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't we have facts published here, in this article? Do you think current "redirect" better reflects facts than following version? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cassandra_Claire&oldid=33881896 Mitra, 13 June 2006

That's not really the issue; the article was AfD'd, and the clear consensus was that the VSDs are notable enough for WP inclusion but that Ms. Claire as a personality is not. Hence the redirect. Tromboneborges 14:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's not true. Try google it. About 18,200 for "The Very Secret Diaries" and about 52,800 for "Cassandra Claire". Mitra, 15 June 2006

Google was taken into account in the AfD. It's by no means the only measure of notability. There aren't AFAIK any (long-lived) articles for fanfiction writers, however well known they might be in their community, on WP -- and the AfD supported that indeed, the VSDs are notable as an Internet phenomenon, but Cassandra Claire is not notable simply for being a writer of well-known fanfiction. Tromboneborges 18:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration of article

An AfD in July 2005 (see here) voted to make this page into a redirect to The Very Secret Diaries. I disagree with that decision and have restored the page as an actual article. My reasoning is as follows:

The decision to redirect to The Very Secret Diaries was reasonably considering the article's content at the time the voting took place since the two pages had essentially the same content. However, the history of Cassandra Claire revealed a more substantive article.
Cassandra Claire is clearly a notable author as established by the current version of the article and a Google test.
She is not only notable for writing the Very Secret Diaries. The Draco Trilogy is also quite well known as established by the article and a Google test. Her original fiction is also soon to be published by a major publisher.
If the two articles should be merged it makes much more sense to redirect The Very Secret Diaries here.
The article may well become a target for vandalism or attempts at libel against its subject but that is not a criterion we use when deciding whether to keep articles. We will be able to stay on top of any such actions, I will personally do my best.
The original vote largely consisted of new users apparently only interested in this topic.
AfD does not have a mandate to irrevocably redirect articles.

I have restored the article and, with User:Arndisdunja's help, expanded it a little. I am going to contact User:BD2412, who closed the AfD at the time, and ask him to review my actions. — Haukur 19:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show me a source for the Simon & Schuster deal? bd2412 T 20:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It's mentioned in the Nouvel Observateur article: [1] I'll explicitly list that as a source. - Haukur 20:09, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that article doesn't list the title of the trilogy as a whole which User:Arndisdunja added. I suspect the source for that might be CC's blog(s). I'll ask Arndís. - Haukur 20:15, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's also here :) Arndisdunja 20:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll add those two links as sources for that paragraph. - Haukur 20:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]