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Carshalton-on-the-Hill

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The correct name of the "Carshalton Beeches" area is Carshalton-on-the-Hill. Are you sure about that? To me they are different places; Carshalton on the Hill being the area to the South of Stanley Park Road while the Beeches is around Beeches Avenue and Banstead Road. Mucky Duck 13:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


  • Carshalton-on-the-Hill is certainly not restricted to South of Stanley Park Road. For example, the official name of the Post Office in Stanley Park Road is "Carshalton-on-the-Hill Post Office" which is of course on the North side of the road. Also, the residents in Angelsey Gardens, Angelsey Court Rd etc (again on the North of SP Road) have always considered themselves to be Carshalton-on-the-Hill. Having said that its been a few years since I visited the area, but that's how it always used to be. Perhaps today, CotH is considered to be South of the railway, but it existed long before the railway was built. jmd 01:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, OK. I wasn't really suggesting that Stanley Park Road was a hard and fast boundary - I was a little woolly there; mea culpa. I would agree that Anglesey Gdns, the PO and the schools on the North side of Stanley Park Road are part of the Hill. But then no-one would suggest that they were part of the Beeches and the point you were making was that the Beeches is a modern name for the Hill and this I dispute: They are two distinct areas, one around Boundary Road, Stanley Road etc (and yes, including Anglesey Gardens and similar on the south side of Stanley Park Road) while the other is further west around Beeches Avenue, Woodmansterne Road and Banstead Road. If you are going by Post Office names I would refer you to the one in Banstead Road: "Carshalton Beeches Post Office". I'm also worried about "named after Beeches Avenue" which was certainly called "Beechnut Tree road" in the late 19th Century: Surely later than the station? I need to do further research there though.
Like you say, the boundaries of these areas are fuzzy --- But they seem to overlap. Carshalton Beeches seems to be a "self declared region" comprising the NE part of Carshalton-on-the-Hill and the SE part of the village of Carshalton. For example Warnham Ct Rd can belong to CotH or CB depending upon the whim of the individual. "Carshalton Beeches" (refering to anything other than the railway station) is definately a name which has come into use within the last 50 years (probably less). jmd
By the way, you say that Carshalton-on-the-Hill is mentioned in the Domesday Book: I can't find this (Carshalton itself is of course, as is Wallington) have you a reference? --Mucky Duck 20:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I did find it mentioned in a text book several years ago (in Wallington public library) I don't visit the area very often these days, so I can't go back and check. And I'm not a scholar of Middle English so I can't check the primary source. jmd 23:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection perhaps I'm getting confused with something else. I've removed that sentence from the article. jmd 04:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Smallholdings

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The land bounded by Woodmansterne Lane and Woodmansterne Road are (or at least were until recently) most definately smallholdings. The land is an enclave owned by Surrey County Council and is let out as smallholdings. Some of the tenants run the holdings as market gardens, others as nursuries, there are (or were) some poultry farms, and at least one small cattle stud. There used to be a notice at each end of the access roads giving details (the notice boards were dilapidated --- I don't know if they're still there). It's possible that the title of the the land has changed in recent years (SCC had been talking about selling for years) but all the locals refer to this land as "The Smallholdings", and it fits the description in Smallholding. The properties to the south of Little Woodcote Lane may have different title; I don't know. jmd 02:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, OK. I can accept that. Mucky Duck 09:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Suburban Development

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I'm not entirley comfortable with calling Carshalton a "suburban development". Parts, Carshalton Beeches for example, could certainly be described that way, and the whole area is now within the suburbs of London and has grown enormously because of that. But Carshalton itself is a historic village, it wasn't developed as a suburb. How about we change this to read similarly to Wimbledon (which is similar in status and character, if not scale)? eg: "Carshalton is a suburb of London, part of the London Borough of Sutton, located 10 miles (16.1 km) south south-west of Charing Cross." Mucky Duck 16:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that describing Carshalton as a "place" and a "suburban development" doesn't seem to take into account the age and history of the village part itself. The proposal above is preferable. Rodge500 2006-02-10

Events

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Is the figure 25,000 correct for firework display? It says 1,200 in the local paper. [[1]] --Rodge500 19:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC) The more I look at it, both Sports and Events read more like a local travel guide than an encyclopeadia. --Rodge500 10:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Now done. --Rodge500 13:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nearest places

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I removed Banstead from the list of nearest places to Carshalton. This is after asking the WikiProject London people (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject London see response). The general rule is only places immediately adjacent, and Banstead is over 3 miles away. Morden, Mitcham, and Croydon are closer than this! Thanks. --Rodge 15:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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