Talk:Non-standard poker hand

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Did you know... that non-standard poker hands in five-card draw are determined by house rules and may have colorful names like Little Bobtail and Round the Corner Straight?

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Five of a kind

Five_of_a_kind redirects here but there is no mention of it in this article. GBM (talk) 18:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Opening comment

I moved the Skeet Flush back to its original position. A Skeet Flush is rarer than a Straight Flush and should be higher; there are 24 possible Skeet Flush hands and 44 possible Straight Flush hands (40 if you count Royal Flushs as a seperate hand). MK 01:27, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Umm....How high would a hand with AAAA and KKK rank? Over Royal Flush?

Skeets and Straights.

In that case, a Skeet should be higher than a Straight. No?

I'll be the first to admit the ranks don't always follow mathematical logic. The odds of getting a Big Tiger, a Little Tiger, a Big Dog, a Little Dog, or a Five and Dime are all the same. And all are harder to get than a standard Flush which beats them. And all these hands beat a Little Bobtail which is a harder hand to get. (I found the odds incidentally at this site - http://www.neo-tech.com/poker/appendixd.html - but I've confirmed the rankings at other sites as well.) MK 04:46, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Russ?

Would a Russ rank between One Pair and Four Straight?--Sonjaaa 09:48, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Re-sorted

I re-sorted the hands by the order they were in pre-merge, to make the existing statement that the hands were ordered not be a lie. However, there were a couple new hands added in the alphabetical list, and I had to guess at their positions. These were all noted as being ranked between one-pair and two-pair, but there was no indication of how they compared to each other: Flush House, Four Flush, and Russ.

Also, I wasn't 100% sure of how to place Wheel.

Also also, I wasn't logged in when I made the edit (sorry about that).

Danfuzz 20:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It may make sense to separate the wheel out into a subsection, like the cats & dogs, given that its ranking is variable. — Gwalla | Talk 23:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

3 and four card hands

where would the hand rankings for games like guts and badugi go? they use three and four cards respectively, so they aren't special home-brewed rankings of a five card hand, but rather different beasts that are game-specific.

In their respective articles. They are not used in poker. — Gwalla | Talk 21:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No.

A big cat does not rank higher than a big dog. 128.210.12.39 (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

skeet?

There reads: Skeet: Also called pelter or bracket, A hand with a deuce (2); a 3 or a 4; a 5; a 6, 7, or an 8; and a 9.
So, the hand has 2, 3 or 4, 5, 6, 7 or 8, 9. Therefore the hand has 6 cards, and it should be mentioned somewhere, since 6 isn't normal. Or otherwise there is something wrong. 85.217.21.121 (talk) 16:42, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understood it to mean that a Skeet is a hand consisting of [2 , 3|4 , 5 , 6|7|8 , 9], where "|" denotes "or." I believe your confusion stems from the comma after the 7. If you feel the phrase, "A hand with a deuce (2); a 3 or a 4; a 5; a 6, 7 or an 8; and a 9" is more appropriate, I wouldn't have any complaints if it got edited as such. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I just noticed 7 is the only one without an article. There is not "a 7", but only "7". And I did not notice these were separated by a semicolon. As such it seems to be ok, though it surely isn't very clear. 85.217.21.121 (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

why?

I wish there was something about why these nonstandard cards are ranked the way they are. With standard hands, the ranking is strictly based on frequency. But that certainly isn’t the case with some of these nonstandard hands. Take blaze, all face-cards. Only 792 total hands, fewer than any standard hand except straight flush and four-of-a-kind, yet it’s ranked between three-of-a-kind and two pair. Not only that but 360 blazes are themselves three-of-a-kind or higher, so there’s something definitely wrong. How did it get this way? I have a rule book from 70 years ago and it ranks blaze exactly the same way as you do.

Now the article does say nonstandard hands are “usually” (but not always) used in games with wild cards. Are the rankings based on frequency with wild cards? But how many wild cards? One? Four? Kings and little ones? That might explain it except that wild cards also change the frequency of standard hands, yet rankings of standard hands never change. Anyone? 71.162.113.226 (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Poker hand

Evens evens straight 2600:6C5E:447F:3E98:DCD6:7F15:F5AB:B6B2 (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blaze?

There are two problems with the blaze, a hand with all face cards.

First, the rank of hands should be based on frequency, and the blaze (12 things taken 5 at a time) is way out of place. A blaze (792) should be between four-of-a-kind (624) and full house (3,744)...not between three-of-a-kind (54,912) and two pair (123,552).

Second, the lowest a blaze can be is two pair, but almost half of them are better than that: four-of-a-kind (24), full house (144), three-of-a-kind (192), two pair (432). So placing the blaze just above two pair can only mean that a two pair consisting of all face cards beats any other two pair, and this idea can be extended to the other hands: a three-of-a-kind that is also a blaze beats any other three-of-a-kind, and the same for full house and four-of-a-kind.

It’s never stated that way, but it’s the only thing that makes sense. After all, you don’t mean that four Kings loses to three deuces just because the four Kings has a Queen or Jack kicker, right? 96.237.184.133 (talk) 13:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double Bobtail?

Lists of non-standard hands always include the Bobtail Straight (Four Straight), Bobtail Flush (Four Flush), and Big Bobtail (Four Straight Flush)...but leave out a hand that is both a Bobtail Straight and a Bobtail Flush but NOT a Big Bobtail. For example: Ace, King, Queen, Five of Hearts and Jack of Spades. Call it a Double Bobtail, frequency of 5,904 puts it between a Flush and Straight. 96.237.184.133 (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Straight flush house” listed

Surely this hand is definitionally impossible no matter what cards are in the deck, because a straight requires all cards to be different ranks, while a full house requires multiple pairs of the same rank? 2600:1700:3F79:170:186:7E09:DDFB:5D2F (talk) 23:45, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]