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'Fish ladder'

Of the millions of young fish born, only a relative few survive to adulthood. Causes of death include natural predators, commercial and sport fishing, disease, low stream flows, poor water quality, flooding, and concentrated developments along streams and lakes.[18]

How exactly DOES this relate to a fish ladder?? (paragraph 6 in that section)

Empty Locks

During November, 2004 the Hiram M. Chittenden Locks were emptied for maintanence. While one of the two locks was emptied the other remained open for boat traffic. The large locks shown below has three gates. One at each end and one in the center dividing the locks into two halves. The pictures below from left to right show the west half taken from the center gate, the east half taken from the center gate and the center gate taken from the south side.

Hiram M. Chittenden Locks emptied for maintanence.

Moved from Canal Lock to here aqs it didnt fit in to the Canal lock article. I cant imediately see where it fits in this artcile either, but I dont like compleately deleteing info! Iain 10:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would strongly recommend moving these images to Commons and placing them in Commons:Category:Hiram M. Chittenden Locks. Ditto for the images in the gallery on this page, only two of which are on Commons. - Jmabel | Talk 06:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added more photos of cleaning the small lock, and moved them all to

Media related to Category:Cleaning Hiram M. Chittenden Locks at Wikimedia Commons --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PD documents

There are a lot of public domain federal government documents about the locks. As far as I can tell, most of them are only on paper, not online. I'll try over the next month or so to upload some of this content; some of it (both words and text) can probably go directly into the article. - Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

This is no longer a stub. To get to B class, the article needs some work on the WP:LEAD. As in summarize the whole article, with expanded details further down, bullets in the lead are rare. Also needs a global perspective, not everyone knows where Seattle is, try adding state and country. Then try to do something to reduce the amount of white space that is created by having so many pictures compared to text. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Total waterfront in seattle

Here's a baseline estimate for the total waterfront in Seattle in 1911. This can be compared with the miles of waterfront after the Locks and ship canal were constructed. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Adds 80 miles of frontage. This refers to the newly-added Lake Washington freshwater frontage that became available after the locks were constructed, not the change in water level. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 September 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Compelling arguments that the proposed title is the common name. Jenks24 (talk) 07:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hiram M. Chittenden Locks → Ballard Locks – Per WP:COMMONNAME. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. Natg 19 (talk) 05:14, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:53, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Although known locally as Ballard Locks because of location only, the official name is Hiram M. Chittenden Locks. That is supported by the GEONAMEs database. Ballard Locks is not listed in Geonames. Additionally, NGRAMs give Chittenden Locks v. Ballard Locks a wide advantage [1] and its a toss up with Hiram M. Chittenden Locks v. Ballard Locks [2] --Mike Cline (talk) 19:59, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- GEONAMEs does not have precedence in article titles, as explained in Wikipedia:Official names and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). "When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it. This often will be a local name, or one of them; but not always."
  It's worth knowing that the common name was "Government Locks" prior to being given their official name in 1956, 40 years after construction. This name change shows up in the NGram as well. Note that I narrowed it to American English, since the policy is concerned with local usage. You would expect non-US writers to not even know the local name and rely on official documents, but we here are interested in the local name. The difference between Chittenden and Ballard Locks on the Ngram graph is very small-- 0.000000700% vs 0.000000800% and not significant enough to give us clear guidance. The ngram viewer is also getting hits from large numbers of official documents published by the government, skewing the result self-referentially. Google News gives us a better picture of what people today actually call it: 182 hits for Chittenden and 438 for Ballard Locks. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:13, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please note that Google Ngram Viewer pops up an error message saying "Search for 'Hiram M. Chittenden Locks' yielded only one result." —BarrelProof (talk) 22:12, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment so if "Chittenden" is dominant, why not use Chittenden Locks ? -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 00:08, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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