Talk:Guglielmo Marconi

Menace quote

"Have I done the world good, or have I added a menace?" According to the referenced source, it's speculated that this quote expresses Marconi's regret that his invention was used in WW1. So, I moved the quote down a bit to be in the more relevant section. Although his invention's role in WW1 is somewhat obvious, the article could be improved with specific examples of use, impacts on the outcome, casualties, tactics, etc. It would also help to show any other similar statements of regret from Marconi that might be more direct or elaborate, if any exist. 2600:1700:C7F0:5510:813:BABB:2FC1:9B97 (talk) 02:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

The official inventor of Radio is considered to be Tesla not Marconi

Nikola Tesla is considered to be the inventor of Radio, US patent no. 645,576, System of transmission of electrical energy. https://patents.google.com/patent/US645576A/en --AlexanderFreud (talk) 15:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

A patent is not a secondary source. Please see above for previous discussion on this issue. PearlSt82 (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

How can a registered Patent not be a source when we are discussing about the paternity of such patent?!? --AlexanderFreud (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

A patent is a primary source. We need secondary sources. PearlSt82 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Tesla’s system to transmit energy-not signals- was a crazy ad unfeasible network of balloons stations in the air above 30,000 feet (9,100 m) in altitude, where he thought the lower pressure would allow him to send high voltages (millions of volts) long distances.

Tesla proposed using huge transformers to blast "electrical impulses of sufficiently-high electromotive force to render elevated air strata conducting, causing, thereby current impulses to pass, by conduction, through the air strata".

The patent specifies massive voltages, starting at 20 to 50 million volts, in order to propel currents via "natural media" conduction.

In addition, he continued to stress that his system did not use radio waves (electromagnetic radiation), which he considered a useless waste product, akin to heat, to be suppressed as much as possible -- "Apart from the transmitting and receiving apparatus the only loss incurred is the energy radiated in the form of Hertzian or electro-magnetic waves which can be reduced to an entirely insignificant quantity."Magnagr (talk) 02:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

US government recognised Radio patent to Tesla post mortem of both Marconi and Tesla; since you-Wikipedians need sources here you have two (I could provide more in case): Margaret CHENEY Tesla · Man Out of Time, Touchstone, USA, 1981 Tesla · Man Out of Time. Müzej Nikole Tesle, Beograd, Serbia (Nikola Tesla Museum). I have been visiting twice Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade, an institution which has been established in 1952 and present-day annually host some 135,000 visitors; the museum guide told me Guglielmo Marconi actually 'stole' 7 patents from Nikola Tesla. As an Italian I would have at least a nationalism reason in consider Marconi as the inventor of Radio; as an Historian of Science as I am I would consider many people contributed to the invention of Radio; Tesla is among them; Marconi basically did the effort to get financial support and take commercial/militar advantage from it. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 10:42, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

You've only posted one source here, "Man out of Time", what a tourguide told you personally isn't a source. If you want to make a claim based on that book, please post relevant sections of the text. The US government did not recognize Tesla as the inventor of radio. The US Supreme court decision deals more with John Stone Stone and Oliver Lodge's patents rather than Tesla's. PearlSt82 (talk) 20:36, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

As an Italian you would know that the US Supreme Court has no power over patents in your country, especially in 1943. Marconi's 1897 UK patent remains the first and original patent on radio and was the one recognised in Italy.

The US isn't the world. Marconi's 1897 patent predates Tesla by 3 years. For what it's worth the oldest radio patent is Marconi's 1897 patent. https://patents.google.com/patent/GB189612039A/en Vk2dy (talk) 10:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose

Sir Jagadis Chandra Bose

In November 1894, the Indian physicist, Jagadish Chandra Bose, demonstrated publicly the use of radio waves in Calcutta.--2003:F2:8701:E664:2469:FC97:11E1:8C1C (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Lodge did it before him (Jagadish Chandra Bose#Radio research), and neither were interested in radio communication. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:54, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fountains of Bryn Mawr That user is indeed right. Please remember it was the colonial era and The British did not allow much for the Indians. Please refrain from your racist and ignorant actions. I have added links. If you change it again, action must be taken. SuvGh (talk) 01:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Marconi began communication experiments in 1884, perfected it in 1885. Bose was just setting up his lab at the same time and studied microwave optics, he never intended to create a communication system. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 03:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey SuvGh,

Hope you are doing well! I can understand that you may be frustrated when people keep reverting your edits, and I want to give you a rundown on why this is happening:

1. Incorrect formatting. When you're adding in your links, you're uploading the entire link instead of adding it as a citation. This guide can be helpful with adding citations WP:CITE. You also bolded your entire sentence; bolding is usually reserved for certain cases WP:MOSTEXT

2. As Wtshymanski said, articles are meant to be about their subjects. The way you phrased the sentence is more centered towards J. C. Bose, who already has an article dedicated to him. You could possibly rephrase the sentence to be more like "J. C. Bose's contributions to the field played a large part in..."

3. I read through the articles you've linked. I'd be cautious about citing the one written by Emerson because he states at the end that he had the Bose Institute's help with creating the paper. This could introduce a possible conflict of interest. Also, one of your articles is a blog post. WP:RS

4. Miscommunication. I think part of the reason is confusion. These reverts aren't meant to take away from the legitimacy of J. C. Bose discovering and demonstrating radio waves. Marconi's invention is stated to be the radio, which J. C. Bose did not create. Even one of your own articles states that J. C. Bose did not invent the radio.

5. Undue claims. Please don't accuse others of racism. Please assume good faith. We are all here because we want to make Wikipedia a better place. We can work towards that together.

Heart6008 (talk) 05:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Heart6008 Ok, sorry and Thanks very much❤ SuvGh (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@2003:F2:8701:E664:2469:FC97:11E1:8C1C Yes, he did, but Indians always face racism and unequal rights SuvGh (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

JC Bose didn't invented radio but discovered radio waves Obiwana (talk) 10:23, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Additional book title to be added to the list for further reading:

"Marconi's Wireless Telegraph Stations in Essex - The Centenary of Brentwood and Ongar Radio Stations" ISBN 978-180369-3828 by Paul M. Hawkins and Paul G. Reyland - pub.2022 by New Generation Publishing.

100 Years ago Marconi was busy setting up wireless telegraphy links between the UK and countries across the world. After WW1 valve technology enabled station to be built near London and hence two site near the Marconi factory in Chelmsford were chosen. This is the story of the receiving station at Brentwood and transmitting station at Ongar commencing operation in 1921 and operating throughout the period when LF and HF radio dominated international telecommunications. 2A00:23C6:B62F:4501:D56E:7426:5C2A:B21A (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

According to their website, New Generation Publishing is a "self-publishing service dedicated to helping more writers to sell more books". Per WP:SPS I would argue this should not be included, as there is already a huge volume of work on Marconi.PearlSt82 (talk) 20:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Apologist for Fascist Idiology

I am curious about the statement that "Marconi was an apologist for Fascist idiology and actions such as the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in the Second Italo-Abyssinian War". Describing him as an "apologist" creates the impression that he wrote articles or gave speeches defending Fascist idiology, but this does not seem to have been the case. The only reference given to support the statement is to a 1935 article in the NYT about his brief announcement that he was joining the invasion of Ethiopia, presumably to coordinate communications services. There is no information about his motives for volunteering, whether it was his personal political views, a sense of loyalty to his country, or a desire to mess around with radio gear at government expense. Should we trim this statement back to what is actually known from the sources? Chappell (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)