User talk:Frecklefoot/Archive2

Game designer

I was thinking about adding Frédérick Raynal to the game designer list. He designed Alone in the Dark and Little big adventure among other things

Yaz0r

You don't need to ask my permission to add him. I personally wouldn't add him—one game does not a notable game designer make. But go ahead and add him if you think he deserves to be there. —Frecklefoot 14:04, Jun 11, 2004 (UTC)

Vanity site

Sorry about the implication of my comment. My objection is more to setting any precedent for adding user's pages as examples to any article. It sets the stage for everyone to try to link to their site or their friends and, as in your example, user web pages are often not reliable and may be unavailable or changed without notice. - Tεx τ urε 15:01, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)

External links section on Sarah Michelle Gellar

Take a look at the articles referenced in Wikipedia:External links, particularly Wikipedia:Manual of Style#External_links and Wikipedia:Describe external links, plus Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (headings)#Style. Basically it is customary to use the form ==External links== whether there is just one link or more. Furthermore it is helpful to describe the link you want someone to click, and better to point to a Wikipedia description if available. Please don't revert changes like that out of hand unless you have checked the appropriate policy. NB I'm not into reversion wars, so please could you undo your reversion when you have satisfied yourself that I'm not talking bunk. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 15:07, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

Phil, thanks for all the information. But I couldn't find a specific policy on the naming of the "External links" section if there is just one link. I don't have a problem with naming the section "links" if it does have more than one link. With just one link, however, "links" is a misnomer. If you have a specific link that points out this policy (or a debate about it), please post it here.

As for wikilinks within the extern links section, I generally disapprove of them. This dates back to the days when it wasn't possible to discern the type of link visually. Now that it is (wikilinks and extern links are different colors), I will have to rethink my stance. But, this is not my encyclopedia, so I should follow the guidelines. Thanks for pointing out this policy. I've been Wikipedia for so long that some new policies have escaped my radar. I've changed the link so it has a wikilink to Internet Movie Database, but I really don't care for the way it looks. The IMDb is such a common resource that its initials are common knowlege. If someone doesn't know what it is, they'll discover what it is once they click on the link. But I did see the policy for it, so I'll abide to it in this case. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:21, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)

Quoting style

I reverted your revert on Yiff, the Wikipedia manual of style advises wikipedians to use the British quotation style. --Conti|✉ 15:06, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I think the style is wrong, but I'll abide by it if that is indeed the policy. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:39, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

More on quoting style

Wereon, you made some changes to several articles marked as "quoting sytle." You moved all the quotes after periods and commas in sentences to before them. Example, you changed "aroused," to aroused", . Though commmon today, it is technically incorrect. When a quote ends a sentence, the quote marks should come after the ending mark, not before. If there is a Wikipedia Style Guide page that refutes this, I'd be happy to see it. Otherwise, we should keep the quote marks outside ending sentence marks except in special circumstances. Peace. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:31, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

Oops! I got this link from Conti. The Wikipedia manual of style advises wikipedians to use the British quotation style. Though I think it is wrong, I'm going to abide by it. Sorry for the trouble... — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:44, Jul 7, 2004 (UTC)

Not a problem. You're right of course: historically commas came before quotation marks regardless of where they should logically go, and this practice is still common in the United States. However, it can lead to ambiguity (I think this is why the MoS rejects it) and (IMHO) looks quite ugly. —Wereon 16:46, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Re Category:Early microcomputers: wait, wait, wait!

Sorry, I knew I should've written an intro text to the Early micros category: yes, the Apple II was quite an early microcomputer as such, but it is more precisely categorized as a (first/early) home computer, as I'm sure you'll agree to. --Wernher 20:13, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. I got a little too excited when I saw the new category pop up and started adding computers without a definition of what qualified. So I stopped adding 'em. I guess you had some in mind when you created the cateogry. Strange, I see you removed the Commodore 64, but it still shows up in the category... — Frecklefoot | Talk

20:35, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

Look Who's Talking

Hi Frecklefoot, I was the nerd who cleaned up 'Look Whose Talking'. That was a good re-write you should take off the stub. Do none of these John Travolta films ever get dubbed into English and cross the Atlantic? Giano 18:55, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Um, that must be a joke? They're originally taped in English, of course. I'm glad you liked my expansion of the article. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:35, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

LDS Ban on Proselytizing to Jews

I noticed you changed Arabic language of the Book of Mormon to say that LDS proselytizing is only forbidden to Jews in Israel. But I had read that the Church banned proselytizing to all Jews since the 1950s out of respect for the Old Covenant. I don't recall that proselytizing to Jews is actually illegal in Israel, but the Church opts not to. - Gilgamesh 08:02, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't know what the "Old Covenant" is. Here is what I know, though I don't have any references to back it up. This is just what I learned from my time serving as a missionary. The Church used to published a tract called "Proselytizing to Jewish People" (or something similar). It contained specific techniques one could use when discussing the Gospel with people of Jewish descent or religion. The Jewish community was kind of offended that we had material specifically targetting their people and asked that we stop publishing the material. The Church complied and I think the material ceased to be published in the mid-1980s (when I worked in the mission office in 1988 and 1989, we still had a number on hand, so it might have even been the late 1980's when the Church stopped publishing the tract). The Church decided it didn't need special strategies to proselytize to Jewish people.

Now, about Israel... I think events here kind of coincided with the whole tract thing. The Church via BYU wanted to build a "satellite campus" in Jerusalem where students could study for a short time, like a semester. The government was impressed with their proposal, but still might have been sore about the whole Jewish-tract thing. They agreed to let BYU build a campus there, and, I think, even agreed to let them hand out copies of The Book of Mormon to intersted parties, on one condition: that if ever asked what church they were affiliated with, they would remain silent. Of course now with the WWW, it's really easy to find out what church BYU is affiliated with, but back then it was seen as a defensive technique, I guess. Now that center is closed due to all the terrorism going on over there, but I think that rule was in effect until it closed. So, I think the whole preaching to the Jews in Israel is kind of "out of bounds." They don't do it because they were asked not to. That's what I know. Like I said, I have no hard data (or web sites) to back up my claims, but this is what I heard from several sources during and after serving my mission. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:15, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)

Alright... Pending further citable sources, I won't challenge the edit. :) (Then what was there a ban for in the 1950s?) - Gilgamesh 01:55, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have no idea--I've never heard of it. <:-( — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:21, Aug 5, 2004 (UTC)

Re: Welcome/WikiProject:Computer and Video Games

Just wanted to say thanks for the welcome. I kind of noticed the fallout in activity on the WikiProject, but I figured that it wouldn't be too long before someone else decides to get involved. As for the templates, I'll take a look now and leave my comments on the Talk page. Thanks again. DrakeCaiman 00:08, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Mansions

I have just re-written your page in the 'Mansion Category' - as I pressed save I thought I'd been a bit rude not contacting you first, I seriously did not mean it that way. Its a brilliant category and I really congratulate you on thinking to do it. If you go to my user page you will see there are quite few 'mansions' there to add to the category.

Revert my edits if you like - profuse apologiesGiano 19:43, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why you arrogant *%#@^&!! I'll drink your blood for this! ;-) Seriously, it's better than what I had, which I only intended as more or less a stub. I think it is a little long for a category description, however. Perhaps you might want to consider moving some information over to the mansion article.

And, you don't have to ask my permission (but I appreciate the gesture). That is what being wiki is all about! Be bold in your editing! :-) Cheers. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:37, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

Silver Spoons

I changed the year on the NBC bit of Silver Spoons. It aired on that network from '82 to '86 and then for one season ('86-'87) in syndication. Mike H 17:10, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Okay. I'm not watching the page, so I probably wouldn't have noticed. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:14, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Sam Walton

Nice work on Sam Walton. That stub badly needed expansion. Gamaliel 21:49, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I aims to please. :-) Thanks for your cleanup of my last edit. It looks like some gook got left in by mistake. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:25, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC)

Golden age of arcade games

Hi,

I took a look at your user page and looked at Golden Age of Arcade Games. I just wanted to let you know that it redirects to Golden age of arcade games. You might be interested.
Bobblewik 21:23, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, I know that. When I wrote it, it was Golden Age of Arcade Games. Another user moved it to the other name. We haven't decided what the final name should be yet, so I'm leaving it as is for now. Thanks. — Frecklefoot | Talk 23:01, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

Tarzana

How did someone with such a suspicious mind fail to notice that Snopes.com was pulling his leg? And did it never occur to you to see what Wikipedia had to say about the naming of Tarzana, California? --Paul A 06:14, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Doe! Man, they got me! Boy, do I feel stupid... :-S — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:01, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

WP:WPH

Thanks for fixing my typo on Wikipedia:WikiProject Holidays. For some reason I keep typing holidays as highways. Who knows why. 18:37, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem. I figured it was just a copy & paste error. :-) I made a comment about your project on your project's talk page. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:59, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Hey, thanks — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 19:02, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship?

In all this time that you've been here, has nobody ever suggested the idea of becoming an administrator? I'm a little surprised - given your experience and your skills in defusing tense situations, I can't imagine any reason not to trust you with admin privileges. I would like to nominate you, so please let me know if you are interested. --Michael Snow 18:57, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'm definately flattered *blush*. I thought all my work here went unnoticed. While at times I wish I had admin privileges, I know that Wikipedia takes up too much of my time already. If I had admin privileges, who knows what kind of havoc I would wreak?!? So, thank you, but I have to decline at this time. Thanks for thinking of me, though! — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:03, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I respect that. If you ever reconsider and decide you would like to be nominated, feel free to leave me a message. --Michael Snow 19:13, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Image tagging

Thanks for your help with the image tagging, but please be careful not to mark images as GFDL if the author has not written anything on the image description page. Is there any evidence that images such Image:Yangshuo.jpg or Image:Yangqin.jpg were not just copied straight from another website? Since neither of these uploaders seem to be trusted users, it is best to mark the images {{unverified}}. Angela . 19:34, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

No, I don't know if they lifted the images directly from other sites. But per your comments on the Village Pump, I thought those were to appropriate tags for images w/o any information. Oops! I didn't know they were from untrustworthy users. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:01, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

WHACK!

I'm giving you two whacks across the knuckles. Be more careful next time, please. →Raul654 01:09, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

OUCCHH! It was a server hiccup--really! You'll notice that it also duplicated the "Golden Age of Arcade Games" section with that edit. I think someone added a section while I was editing the GAoAG section. The software incorrectly reconciled the diff. In short, it wasn't my fault. That whack hurt! ;-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 13:53, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

TERM PAPER

Dear Mr. Frecklefoot: I want to thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. The one about the doubts I was having on the term paper I'm supposed to turn in. I know this is not just another "help-on-homework" type of site but, like I said, never was I looking for that. Just someone who'd be so kind to explain a little bit more on my topic and what it meant. And you were kind enough to do that. You explained the whole, long article on "Outsourcing" into a single paragraph. So, your examples and explanations helped out... A LOT. Of course, the article also helped. I didn't even know what the term "Outsourcing" meant. But THANK GOD for this page and for your help!! I really appreciate it. Thank you.

Sincerely, Camille (from Puerto Rico)

You're welcome! I aims to please. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 01:09, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

Missle Command

Oops, thanks for the correction, that was embarrassing :-/ --Tjansen 08:49, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

No problem. It's an easy mistake to make since you don't use that word everyday (unless you're in my industry). :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:00, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

Game programmer

Just like to say the game programmer article is looking really spiffy IMHO, and most of the contributions seem to be by you.. so yeah, good job, I really like how it looks now :D

Davedx 05:20, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! That's high praise coming from a fellow game programmer. Well, I used to be a game programmer--I'm not allowed to make games anymore... :-(. Take care! — Frecklefoot | Talk 13:53, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Ken Jennings

FYI, the Ken Jennings streak is not yet over -- the show returns to regular play on October 4th. --OntarioQuizzer 22:16, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I see! I thought it returned to regular play in September. Thanks for the tip! — Frecklefoot | Talk 13:48, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

It did, but it took another two-week break for the Tournament of Champions. --OntarioQuizzer 16:15, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Arcade games are not video games

Hi Frecklefoot. I understand the difference between arcade games and home console video games. Interestingly enough, I wrote the Arcade game article, so I know a bit about which I write. I have no problem with the general standardization of arcade game and video game articles, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Arcade Games and Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and Video Games. However, the Arcade Games project currently does not provide any de facto protocol for the categorization of arcade games and the year of their release. Here is an excerpt from the Arcade Games page:

"And if it had a port, add it to that year's category of games (e.g. [[Category:1984 computer and video games]]). Each year should have a category, so don't worry if it doesn't--it should."

I see no method for addressing the issue of arcade game release dates, only ports. Perhaps you feel that there should be a "[[19xx arcade games]]" category? This may be the only way to deal with the arcade versus home release issue regarding categories; indeed, I was only going by what I was seeing, which was the mixing of all electronic games into one type of chronological category. If this is acceptable to you, then that is fine (of course, it'll be me who has to deal with changing all of these arcade game categories, which doesn't please me all that much).

Please respond to the matter, as I don't wish to have to fix too many categories before I continue making new ones. Thanks.

bumm13 - 15:55 UTC, October 6, 2004

We had played with the idea of making arcade game year categories in this discussion, but nothing ever came of it. I've raised it again in this discussion. Comment there if you like. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:26, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Golden Age

Congrats on the feature article. :-) Tempshill 18:20, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! Now, where's my cash prize? :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:40, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Your prize is the warm glow of accomplishment. It's a great article that really points out how wonderful it is that we have so many people with in-depth current knowledge contributing to this Wikipedia thing. As an 80s lover, that article really took me back. Spalding 22:19, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

I aims to please (but I'd rather have money ;-). If you want an even better history of the golden age, pick up a copy of The Official Price Guide to Classic Video Games (by David Ellis (2004), ISBN 0375720383). Well worth the price and has an even better history of the Golden Age and also includes a discussion of consoles. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 22:25, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Odd edits

Sorry if you thought some of my edits in the category links were "odd"; in some categories (such as Arcade games), it's a bit more useful if most of the articles are alphabetized (the specific game articles), while a few articles (those for related topics and subjects) are grouped separately at the top under "*". Hope this clears up any confusion. MisfitToys 22:52, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing this up. I suspected it was something I just didn't understand. From now on I'll refrain from reverting such edits. — Frecklefoot | Talk 22:56, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks; sorry for any confusion. MisfitToys 23:50, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Proposal to make a Mormonism WikiProject

I'd like to discover if there would be community support for a Mormonism WikiProject. I think it would offer several advantages to our current decentralized approach. Please comment.

See Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr.#Propose we make a Mormonism WikiProject — Cool Hand Luke 18:09, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the WikiProject under Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. I hope the project will be useful to editors looking for work to do. To this end I've compiled a list of red links and short Latter Day Saint articles not listed as LDS stubs. Cool Hand Luke 18:55, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

hello

Hello. I am looking for people who like computers and I found you by looking at the history of the NVIDIA Corporation article. I administer a non-Wikipedia project for the creation of an IT wiki and I think you might like the project since you are a software engineer and games developer. If you want to be considered for being invited to the project, please list your username in User:Npc/List. Thanks. Npc 12:05, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Belinda

Hi, The image has been on my computer for 3 or 4 years now. Haven't seen it on Google images or anywhere for a while now, so I thought it was maybe ok to use it .... A good one by the way ,I'm sure you'll agree. Let me know what you think as I'd be sorry to see it go!

BladeSteve

(Continued discussion on BladeSteve's talk page.)

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl

Hello ! Me and some other people are trying to stop S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl article from getting deleted. Check out the undeletion here: Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion#S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl. NrarerN 00:09, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

First, it looks like its already been deleted. I haven't seen the article, but it sounds like it hasn't been released yet. Anything in the article is therefore going to be nothing more than conjecture and heresay. Such things are not encyclopedic. It looks like it was being used as an example of an advanced FPS engine? Of course that's what their marketing department is going to say--do you expect them to say something like "using the best 3D technology of 2002!"? Claims of advanced technology cannot be taken at face value--they can only be verified after a product is released. Such claims hold little weight unless they come from a company with a proven track record, such as id Software.

Second, why are you contacting me about this article? I never contributed to or have even seen the article. Are you just randomly blasting Wikipedians about your cause? — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:06, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

The Bard's Tale

Thanks for the big assist on the Bard's Tale disambiguation work. I started it and then had to go to work. I checked back in at lunch and saw you had most of it done. Kainaw 17:52, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome! :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:12, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)