Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/This land lyrics
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Joyous 18:26, Jan 16, 2005 (UTC)
Should be merged with JibJab and deleted. Probably these lyrics are copyrighted. I know there was a settled lawsuit between the JibJab people and the company that now owns the rights to Woodie Guthrie's song. --BM 03:27, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete' Malformed title and not encyclopedic . Could eventually be merged to JIbJab, after checking the intellectual property issues. I'm not sure if lyrics (aside from limited extracts provided for example/analysis purposes) have their place on Wikipedia, though. Phils 12:42, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, aside from being potentially a copyvio, I don't think Wikipedia is the place for complete song lyrics like this. Rje 16:27, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Delete, although they could well do with being on wikisource. The reason the lawsuit was settled was that the lyrics turned out to not actually be under copyright (see [1]) - quite amusing, really, since had they not brought the lawsuit no-one would have realised. Shimgray 16:59, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)- Ooops - ignore that, for some reason I thought we were discussing the lyrics of the original. Gah. Will not edit without coffee. Just delete, then, no wikisource - it's definitely a copyvio. Shimgray 17:15, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- And a cleaner version of the parody lyrics are on This Land is Your Land, it seems... Shimgray 17:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Ooops - ignore that, for some reason I thought we were discussing the lyrics of the original. Gah. Will not edit without coffee. Just delete, then, no wikisource - it's definitely a copyvio. Shimgray 17:15, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete Wikipedia shouldn't have entries for the lyrics of specific songs.
- Delete, copyvio, unencyclopedic. Wyss 21:33, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep - With the proper editing, it will become more encyclopedic. -- Judson 22:33, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Mikkalai 23:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, the song is notable - therefore the lyrics are notable. -- Crevaner 00:01, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- A quick reminder - if voting keep, note that there's already a copy of the entire content (ie, the lyrics) on This Land is Your Land, better formatted and more useful (among other details, it notes the "singer" for each section, which given it's formed as a dialogue is mildly important.... Shimgray 00:25, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, copyright violation. Megan1967 01:46, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Woddie Guthrie's song is not copyright.
- Guthrie's lyrics may not be but the JibJab lyrics certainly are. Megan1967 02:00, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Guthrie's are, too, benefitting the Guthrie Children's Fund for several more decades. Hard though it may be for some to believe, he died less than 40 years ago. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:51, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
- This was settled when Gunthrie's people tried to sue JibJab over the parody. What it comes down to is that copyrights when the song was first published (1945) lasted 28 years and could be renewed to get another 28 years. The clock ran out in 1973 without a renewal, and the song became public domain. Wired News coverage LostCluster 03:05, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Copyvio, and beyond that this isn't a lyrics database. LostCluster 02:53, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. It isn't clear whether these lyrics violate Guthrie's copyright or not. Anyway that issue was settled between JibJab and the Guthrie estate. What is clear is that Wikipedia doesn't have a copyright to these JibJab lyrics. On top of that, song lyrics aren't encyclopedic. Finally, even if they are, they are already included in the This Land is Your Land article, and there is no reason to have an independent article containing the lyrics. How many different reasons do you need to remove this article? --BM 21:22, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, there's nothing there worth merging into JibJab. -℘yrop (talk) 22:06, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)
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